Barry's BlogWednesday, April 14 2010 Friendship For Guys: Are We Just That Shallow?
Every summer for 25 years, Mark Vasu has gotten together for a weekend getaway with old friends from Duke University. The 15 men, who graduated in 1984, gather in the same cabin in Highlands, N.C. "It's a judgment-free, action-packed, adventure-based weekend," says Mr. Vasu. "We go hiking, whitewater rafting, rock climbing, fly-fishing." What they don't do is sit around as a group, the way women do, sharing their deepest feelings. So begins Jeffrey Zaslow's article last week in the April 7th issue of The Wall Street Journal, titled "Friendship for Guys (No Tears!)." There is no question that the way men and women perceive relationships and friendships is light years apart, and it is rather commonplace and convenient for men to see themselves, and to be perceived by the opposite sex, as well, inferior.
Yet many would argue that just because male friendships are vastly different than those of most women, we shouldn't assume that they're inferior to female friendships. "If we use a woman's paradigm for friendship, we're making a mistake," says Geoffrey Greif, a professor at the University of Maryland's School of Social Work, who has studied how 386 men made, kept and nurtured friendships. Men might not be physically or emotionally expressive, he says, but we derive great support from our friendships. Guys, see if you can identify with this story Zaslow reported in his Wall Street Journal article: "A woman from Wisconsin wrote to me recently to say that she effortlessly shares intimate feelings with her friends. That's in great contrast to her husband. He recently went on a fishing trip to Canada with four longtime friends. And so she wondered: What did they talk about for a whole week? She knew one of the men had problems at work. Another's daughter was getting married. The third man has health problems. Her husband said none of those issues came up. She couldn't believe it. She told him: 'Two female strangers in a public restroom would share more personal information in five minutes than you guys talked about in a week!'." We live in an interesting day, when the hectic pace of our lives, and the competitive drive in the workplace among men, often contribute to our mere "surface" friendships, and seeing other men as "competitors." And without question, the way we were raised has had a profound influence about how we relate to others in terms of transparency and authenticity. And while some of us may be better at "friendship" with our male peers and friends, it is clear that there is a wide chasm between the way men and women perceive friendships and relationships. So are we simply that shallow? Your thoughts posted below would be appreciated. Simply click the button, "Add Your Comment." Post your comments:FinishingWell is not responsible for the content of these Comments
Wed,Apr 14 2010 10:57:18 AM "Al, your comments are so on target! For those who knew him, and who had the opportunity to see the unbelievable influence he had on our children and friends, Sweeney was a living example of Christlikeness, and as you say, anything but shallow. Thanks for weighing in on this post..." –Barry Wed,Apr 14 2010 09:55:20 AM "Mike Sweeney (some of you reading this post will know of him) passed away about 2 weeks ago, prematurely at age 35. I have been profoundly affected by Mike's life and his affect on many folks in my life. I sat through a 2 hour Memorial to this man and tearfully heard many men, strong men, speak of their friendship with Sweeney. Based on their recollection and testimony I don't think we men "have" to be that shallow. For Sweeney and his band of male friends it would seem the difference was a relationship with Christ. These men were not like Lance in the story above - they were there for more than night of poker. The center of Sweeney's group was Christ and that was anything but shallow." –Al Wed,Apr 14 2010 08:40:00 AM "For men, finding peace and acceptance does not involve a lot of words. Looking back on my male role models, this is so. There is some level of unexplainable tacit understanding. Spending time together is sufficient. I shouldn't be surprised that my relationship with God is the same way. I bet Mr. Lewis has something to say about this." –Jim |
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"i read the same article in WSJ - as I read I reflected on a fly-fishing trip last year to MT... we never talked about anything.... and it was alot of fun, but very empty. Every time I tried to steer the conversation to our lives.. the guys switched. I thought the articel sad, that our friendships are so shallow. yes, I don't need an indepth, all the time, like a woman. But I want to connect over the issues of my soul - dreams, failures, achievments, complexities of relationships.... maybe it's a good cigar, scotch, and a dark night on the deck wehn guys will open up a bit. Not all guys are like that.... I just don't think most guys know how to get there. "the purposes of a mans heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out." don't tell me men don't want to connect. who will man-up?"
–John